<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4086788326294671380</id><updated>2011-07-30T12:24:58.461-07:00</updated><category term='Sarah Thornton'/><category term='New Wine'/><category term='biblical teaching'/><category term='Healing'/><title type='text'>St Matthews Dunedin</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4086788326294671380/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>SmattsDunedin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16172724371704896554</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>2</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4086788326294671380.post-6769014309354853474</id><published>2010-06-02T15:29:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-02T15:45:30.452-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='biblical teaching'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Healing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New Wine'/><title type='text'>HEALING: A DISCUSSION STARTER</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class="Apple-style-span"  style="font-family:georgia;"&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;This document is intended as a discussion starter to help us discern Biblical truth. There is no suggestion that it is either complete or infallible!&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; Over the past few months at St Matthews we have received a lot of teaching on healing, both through the teaching of New Wine (NW) and more recently through Jude Looser (JL). &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;I believe that both have been very helpful and have refocused our eyes on Biblical teaching about healing and it has also been a timely reminder of the “supernatural” aspects of our faith. I believe that as a Church, and as individuals, we have learnt a lot about ministering to each other in the power of the Holy Spirit. &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;I also think that we have learnt a lot about the importance of inner/emotional healing and being able to recognise when it might be appropriate. &lt;span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"&gt;Human brokenness, a consequence of broken fellowship with God, robs us of the “image of the Divine." &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"&gt;True healing requires healing of the spiritual, mental, emotional and social facets as well as healing of the physical; it requires restoration of the "image of God." We have been reminded that God gifted his Church with many gifts, including the gifts of healing and that he appointed his Church to be communities of healing in the broadest sense of that word. We need to continue to pray for healing in the power of the Holy Spirit simply because, as John Wimber said, “&lt;i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"&gt;before we prayed for healing no one was healed, now we pray and some are healed”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;span lang="EN-US" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; Nothing that follows is intended to detract from that. However, I also believe that we have been taught some things which may have been controversial or which we need to critically examine in the light of our own experience. For example:&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; It      is &lt;b style="mso-bidi-font-weight:normal"&gt;always&lt;/b&gt; God’s will to heal.      He never says “no” or “not yet”(JL&amp;amp;NW)&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;No      one should die of disease (NW&amp;amp;JL) and we should even be moving towards      an expectation that some will never die but will simply be “taken” in the      same way that Enoch was (JL)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;That      death before 3 score years and 10 (70) &lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;is unscriptural (JL)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;That      God never uses suffering – it is never used a part of his purposes for us.      An earthly father would never allow his child to suffer if he could do      something about it and therefore neither would God. (NW)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;We      shouldn’t see the death of a Christian as God’s ultimate healing (JL)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;Etc….&lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; I have some problems with the above, mainly because it just doesn’t equate with our general experience. We don’t see everyone healed- we don’t even see the majority healed. JL claims around 80% but the figures I have heard from NW people are around 20-30%. We have to have some explanation for this and some way of pastoring those people who aren’t healed and also those who pray for them.&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; Some observations:&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc"&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;The      “Healing for all always” (HFA) teaching fails to see the present in the      light of eternity. This earth is not my home – as Paul says “For me to      live is Christ but to die is gain” (Philippians 1:21). The HFA teaching      elevates the significance and importance of earthly life. In Paul      Windsor’s words it is anthropocentric and not Theocentric. It says, it’s      all about me and my present comfort.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;Could      it be that Christians have become infected with the language of rights      that is so common in all aspects of life today and have developed a “right      to be well’ theology?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;It      fails to take account of the fact that God is God and I am not! However      much truth there may be in the assertion that we have been given the earth      as our “patch” to rule over and we have the power of the Holy Spirit      within, we are still sinful creatures. Yes, Jesus always healed but he was      the sinless son of God, therefore not a good comparison!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#333333"&gt;A truth to keep in mind is that Jesus taught that      what happens to our earthly body is not the ultimate concern in life--      much more important than the condition of the body is the eternal state of      the soul (Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:4).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;I      can see occasions when a loving father would allow his child to suffer in      order to achieve some higher purpose which may not be able to be achieved      without the suffering (for example chemotherapy for cancer, or punishment      to teach and correct)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;The      fact that the body heals at all is a God ordained miracle and we should be      quicker to acknowledge this. No one really knows why cells regenerate,      bones mend or wounds heal. Also, throughout history and still today, many      Christians see their calling to medical practice as exactly that – a call      of God to be partner with Him in the healing of men and women.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;Because      the teaching &lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;(NW&amp;amp;JL) is so      rigid in claiming that everyone can be healed since healing provision has      already been made- guilt and shame is added to the physical suffering of      those not healed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;  &lt;li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list 36.0pt"&gt;Scripture      does teach that in a fallen world people die “before their time” (Isaiah      65 :20). We are told to “number our days”, and that God has established      the number of our days before we are even born. All of which suggests that      it is different for each of us. &lt;/li&gt; &lt;/ul&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; Much of Scripture is about suffering – the death of a child (Genesis 37:33-35); the pain of barrenness (Genesis 15:2); homesickness (Psalm 137); physical pain (Job); persecution (Psalm 22:17-21); loneliness and abandonment; remorse (Psalm 51); etc.&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; We must remember that suffering is at the centre of our salvation. Redemption was accomplished through the Cross of Christ, that is, through His suffering. &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;There are passages in Scripture which encourage us to also embrace suffering as Christ did. (2 Corinthians 1:5; Philippians 3: 10-11; Romans 8:17-18; 2 Corinthians 4: 17-18; 1 Peter 4: 13). &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;In the same way that Christ emptied himself in order to be lifted up so suffering and glory seem to be inextricably linked. It is an expression of the gospel paradox of weakness and strength (2 Corinthians 12:9; 2 Timothy 1:12; Philippians 4:13).&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; There is also the disturbing passage in Colossians 1:24: “Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is the Church”. I can’t really grasp what this means. I am certain that the redemption achieved by Christ is complete but this passage seems to suggest that in some way we, the community that is the Church, are called to continue the work of the redemption of the world through our own suffering.&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;So… why do we get sick and suffer and aren’t healed?&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; There are many reasons that I think we could explore:&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops:list 72.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list:Ignore"&gt;·&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;As a consequence of personal sin. David suffered the grief of the loss of a child because of his sin (also, some saw the AIDS epidemic in this light)&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops:list 72.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list:Ignore"&gt;·&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;As a consequence of general sin “the sin of the world”. Because we are part of a fallen world – &lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;but there is no personal equation&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops:list 72.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list:Ignore"&gt;·&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;As a way of teaching us more of God. C.S Lewis said that pain is sometimes God’s megaphone to a deaf world. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops:list 72.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list:Ignore"&gt;·&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;To test and strengthen our faith (Romans 5:3-5)&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops:list 72.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list:Ignore"&gt;·&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;As a witness to others. When the body is gravely ill, and totally incapacitated,&lt;span style="mso-spacerun:yes"&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;a Christians’ inner maturity and spiritual confidence can be a lesson to others. &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops:list 72.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list:Ignore"&gt;·&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;As discipline from God (Hebrews 12:6)&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops:list 72.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list:Ignore"&gt;·&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Because Jesus told us that we should expect it (Luke 9:23)&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2; tab-stops:list 72.0pt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:Symbol; mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol"&gt;&lt;span style="mso-list:Ignore"&gt;·&lt;span style="font:7.0pt &amp;quot;Times New Roman&amp;quot;"&gt;        &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Early death could sometimes be a mark of God’s “severe mercy” &lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; I think that ultimately we can only stand in silence before a Holy triune God and acknowledge that when there is God there is mystery, if there wasn’t there wouldn’t be God! We need to trust that “goodness and mercy” will indeed follow us all the days of our lives and we also need to learn to trust God with the mystery of our lives and also to trust him when he is silent!&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;For those who want to take this further I would recommend two very good sources: “How long O Lord” by D.A. Carson and the Apostolic letter “Salvifici Dolores” By Pope John Paul II written on 11 February 1984 (esp sections 14-24)&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class="MsoNormal"&gt;&lt;st1:personname st="on"&gt;Sandy Elkin&lt;br /&gt;Women and Families Ministry&lt;br /&gt;May 2010&lt;/st1:personname&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4086788326294671380-6769014309354853474?l=stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com/feeds/6769014309354853474/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com/2010/06/healing-discussion-starter.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4086788326294671380/posts/default/6769014309354853474'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4086788326294671380/posts/default/6769014309354853474'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com/2010/06/healing-discussion-starter.html' title='HEALING: A DISCUSSION STARTER'/><author><name>SmattsDunedin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16172724371704896554</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4086788326294671380.post-874236877280310028</id><published>2009-08-17T16:21:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-17T16:24:22.375-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Sarah Thornton'/><title type='text'>Lest We Forget</title><content type='html'>Last week I received an interesting letter in the church office. One I wasn’t really sure what to do with. It was from an older person from Queensland asking about a particular stained glass window in the church building. The Harvey Memorial Glass. Now I had no idea which window they were referring to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today, I have been along to the church, looking at the windows to try and see if I could help this person. While I was doing this, it really struck me how much history St Matthews really has. I mean, we all know it is an old building with problems that need to be fixed, like earthquake proofing etc.I think we all take it for granted what a beautiful place we have.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While it may seem like a huge thing we are doing with the new buildings, and believe me, it seems like it has taken a huge amount of time, we must remember that without the people who were members of this congregation years ago, the church wouldn’t be where it is today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;St Matthew’s history goes back a long way, and I think the words we say each ANZAC day really ring true. Lest we forget. The plaques around the church building represent real people, and while we may not have known them, they were people who obviously made an impact in the church’s history.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Coming back to the Harvey Memorial Window (It is the third window on the Stafford Street side, after you come through the doors). Captain Harvey was killed in battle on 16th August 1900, and this Sunday just past marked the 109th anniversary of his death. While I don’t know much more about the man, his family and friends cared enough about him to commemorate his memory with a beautiful stained glass window.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think it is timely to appreciate the age of this church building, in the midst of the chaos that is the new buildings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you are in Dunedin, I would invite you all to come and  spend some time looking at the stained glass windows and various plaques around the church, and appreciate what God has truly blessed us with, a rich and varied history. Lest we forget.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/4086788326294671380-874236877280310028?l=stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com/feeds/874236877280310028/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com/2009/08/lest-we-forget.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4086788326294671380/posts/default/874236877280310028'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/4086788326294671380/posts/default/874236877280310028'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://stmattsdunedin.blogspot.com/2009/08/lest-we-forget.html' title='Lest We Forget'/><author><name>SmattsDunedin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16172724371704896554</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
